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SPD-SL vs SPD: Road or MTB cleats?

I’m going to attempt to answer the age old question of if road (3 bolt) cleats are better than mountain bike (2 bolt) cleats when using them on a road bike being ridden on primarily paved surfaces. We will concede the fact that the standard 2 bolt cleat, most commonly SPDs, are significantly better off road (mountain biking or cyclocross) due to their ability to tolerate dirt, mud and their “walk-ability” factor due to the recessed cleat and lugged sole.

PD-A600

PD-A600

PD-M540

PD-M540

Just for some background, back when I started riding a proper road bike , a “12 speed”, just shy of 30 years ago, I had toe clips and straps. I rode that until I got my first mountain bike in 1999 and moved to SPD pedals and cleats. The pedals were two sided, one side was a bear claw and the other side had the SPD interface. When I purchased my cross/gravel bike in 2013 I stuck with the SPD interface and put Shimano PD-M540 two sided SPD pedals on it. When the majority of my rides became more paved than not I moved to a set of Shimano PD-A600 pedals. These are single sided SPD pedals which are very light and are listed as a road pedal by Shimano and billed as the “Lightest ever SPD pedal at Ultegra level”.  Over the past year I have been riding with a pair of Giro Empire VR90 mountain bike shoes and would swap between the A600 and M540 pedals based on terrain.

Giro Empire ACC

Giro Empire ACC

Giro Empire VR90

Giro Empire VR90

Which brings us to the present day. With the recent purchase of a proper road bike, dare I say race bike, I began contemplating getting a pair of 2 bolt road shoes. I didn’t need then as the A600 pedals and VR90 shoes were fine but I honestly wanted to see what all they hype was about. The stars aligned one day and I was able to pick up a pair of Giro Empire ACC road shoes at a deep discount. With that purchase made I also dropped the hammer on a set of Shimano Ultegra 6800 pedals (also on sale!) and both were here in less than 3 days.

So for this review I’ll be comparing my 3 pedal systems, 2 SPD (M540 & A600) and 1 SPD-SL (Ultegra 6800). Since my shoes for both systems are both Giro Empires which are basically the same shoe with the same carbon sole that takes any type of shoe variability I might feel out of the question. The only real difference between the shoes is the lugged outer sole on the VR90s and some scuff protection on the uppers.

First lets get the M540 and A600 comparison out of the way. While they are both SPD pedals and share the typical dirt/mud tolerance and high degree of float they are really different animals. The M540 excels at ease of use clipping in due to their 2 sided design. This can be beneficial when starting out with clipless pedals and also if you ride ‘cross it makes mounting that much easier. On the road they work ok, I’ve heard of people complaining about hot spots due to the small surface area of the pedal/cleat interface but that was never an issue with me. I think shoe choice also plays a factor in this as well.  They are also a tall pedal due to the two sided interface so pedal strikes could be an issue if you pedal too early out of a corner. The biggest issue I had with them on the road was when applying a lot of power (big climbs, out of the saddle, etc… ) the cleat would “click” in the pedal. The float built into the pedal allows the foot to move a bit and sometimes that would result in a click while pulling up. It didn’t happen all the time and a foot readjustment would stop it but for the most part I ignored it. Occasionally though it would result in me clipping out which was real annoying when it did happen. The A600s solved both those issues for me. The wider surface area provides a larger platform for the sole lugs to sit on so if you foot does “float” you shoe still sits on a stable platform. Also I have never had an issue of unintentionally clipping out of them even on the lowest setting, they keep your foot secure to the pedal! The verdict: While the M540 pedals will work ok they are better suited for the dirt and A600 pedals win hands down for the road use due to their wider & more secure design along with their increased ground clearance useful when coming out of those tight corners.

With that out of the way lets get down to the real comparison, the A600 SPD pedals vs the 6800 SPD-SL pedals. I have used both on a bike mounted to a Wahoo KICKR and out on the road so I have a good basis for comparison

Lets first talk about power transfer. An common reason I hear a lot to use 3 bolt road cleats over the 2 bolt cleats is due to better power transfer. Personally I think it’s hogwash. You are pushing down on a pedal, small or big platform the power transfer should be the same. When you pull up on the pedal there may be a slight advantage but I’m not sure that is quantifiable as you are more unweighting the pedal than actually pulling up. I have done single leg drills with SPD cleats and never thought I was missing anything – well except in the few instance where I unintentionally unclipped and that was only with the M540 pedals. The hot spot issue could be a valid concern for some but again I think that has a lot to do with shoe choice an not solely on the pedal. (see what I did there?) Verdict: No clear winner.

Now lets move on to walk-ability. A common reason to choose 2 bolt cleats over 3 bolt cleats is due to the walk-ability factor. I admit I was in this camp at one time.  2 bolt cleats are recessed in a lugged sole which provide the rider a sole like a running shoe to walk on. This is great if you are going to be walking a lot especially in dirt or mud – mountain bikers that may need to dismount and walk the trail, cyclo-crossers, or even long distance/bikepackers who may not know what the terrain may bring. But for most road riders you are out there to ride and not walk miles on end. The first time I walked in a 3 bold cleat (SPD-SL) I was like “what is the big deal?” They are fine to walk in for the coffee shop or around a rest stop on a supported ride. I can see the potential for them to be slippery on a wet floor but I haven’t encountered that yet and haven’t seen anyone take a dive either. My hardest challenge is walking on a carpeted floor. It seems much easier to roll the cleat in that situation. Not sure why but that is my impression. Verdict: 2 bolt for certain situations, 3 bolt for primarily road riding.

Which is easier to use? This become a little tricky. A two sided SPD pedal is extremely easy to click into, heck I don’t even have to look. When you move to single sided pedals then you may have to look down occasionally to see if the pedal is in the correct position. This is where I think the SPD-SL pedals win over the A600 pedals. With the SPD-SL pedals they generally fall nose up so just sliding your shoe across the pedal will cause the cleat to hook the pedal and then a push down will clip you in. With the A600s, they also generally fall nose up but need to be more deliberate with moving the pedal into position before pushing the cleat into place. Verdict: Neither is complicated and I generally get my foot in on the first shot 95% of the time but I just think the SPD-SL has the advantage here.

What is left now? Weight. I think it’s obvious that the mountain bike (2 bolt) shoes would be heavier with their lugged sole but by how much? Well with cleats installed on each shoe I weighted them and the difference was a little less than 90 grams. The pedals are only ~13 grams different making the SPD-SL a total of ~100grams lighter or just shy of a 1/4 pound. While that doesn’t seem like a whole lot I did notice my “normal” cadence pick up by 1 or 2 RPM while using them on the KICKR.

Am I a 3 bolt/SPD-SL convert now? Will I be preaching the virtues of proper road cleats from the mountain tops now? Yes and no. I still stand by my original assessment of the right tool for the job. If you are doing mixed riding or always off road then a SPD cleat is the best tool for the job. Pair that with a quality stiff carbon soled shoe and a road style pedal like the A600 and you aren’t losing much, if anything, to your typical 3 bolt road pedal/cleat system. But if you are a pure roadie who grimaces at the thought if riding your bike on anything other than a paved surface then a 3 bolt system is for you. Now the caveat here is if you have multiple bikes for multiple disiplines and you can either afford one good pair of shoes or two pairs of mediocre shoes go with the single good pair of shoes and run a 2 bolt system on all your bikes. You may get sneers from road snobs but just drop them on the next climb to shut them up.

New shoes… New Helmet!

As I mentioned in a previous post I recently upgraded to a pair of Giro Empire VR90 cycling shoes. I’ve had them for a few weeks now, and while old man winter has hampered my riding outdoors, they have been worn on all my trainer rides since their acquisition. I have nothing but praise for these shoes and could easily recommend them to anyway.

empirevr90

They are also very sharp looking, matte black with “glowing red” letters and laces. The only down side to that is I had nothing else in my kit to match their red color. So after pondering that dilemma, I figured that the two constants that I always wear, no matter that kit I’m wearing, is my helmet and my shoes. Since the box was already checked with the shoes it was time to go helmet shopping! I had a few on my short list that interested me, like such offerings from Kask or Lazer, but ultimately I went with another Giro product – the Aeon helmet, of course in Giro’s glowing red color.

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This is a serious helmet that is top of it’s class. Prior to this year it was Giro’s flagship road helmet for several years. That top spot is now occupied by the Synthe, but that doesn’t mean the Aeon still doesn’t deserve accolades. It has some awesome ventilation and is super light at a claimed weight of 222g for the US version (actually lighter than the Synthe). Mine weighed in at 226g. In either case when it arrived I questioned if there was anything in the box it’s so light. It actually makes my old Specialized Propero feel like a boat anchor.

The fit of the Aeon is supurb. Like most helmets you need to adjust the straps around the ears to preference and then let the RocLoc 5 system to the rest. After a little while you almost forget the helmet is even there.

Most importantly the Aeon provides ample spots for me to perch my Oakley Radarlocks when not needed for sun shielding activities.

I’m not sure I could ask any more of a helmet. Well there is one thing, but lets hope that never needs to be tested.

Training, Zwift & new shoes!

zwift logoIt’s been a long winter this year in the northeast and I’ve been making the most of it with my Trainer Road workouts. As I write this post I’m in week 14 of using Trainer Road. The first 12 weeks were part of the “Sweet Spot” base phase and now I’m in the “General Build” phase. To say I’ve seen an improvement is an understatement. My FTP is up 15% from when I started back in November and I find it funny now that my tempo workouts are at/around that original FTP number. Finding Trainer Road has been a changer for me and I am always motivate to get on the bike and do my next workout.

Now to compliment my Trainer Road workouts I also have Zwift! I was accepted into the beta program a week ago as a Mac tester (there have been Windows testers since Oct/Nov of last year). I don’t think I can do the Zwift experience any justice here, but it is a lot of fun and even if you just want to take an easy ride around the island you inevitably will find yourself going for one of the jerseys, closing the gap or just dropping other wheel suckers! I believe they call this the Zwift Effect. The best part is that I can use Trainer Road along with Zwift. I just do my normal TR workout while tooling around the island – trying hard to ignore the “competitions” and focusing on the workout but it does provide some relief and distraction from just watching numbers on the screen. Plus I have a good playlist that keeps me motivated as well.

Here is a screen shot from one of my first rides on the island. There was a bug this session and it seemed I was all alone on the island so it wasn’t hard for me to capture the orange jersey!

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Zwift has become so popular that people are scheduling group and century rides. Also keep your eyes peeled while you are on the island because you may see the likes of Jens Voigt, Laurens Ten Dam and several other pros riding the island!

I can seriously see myself Zwifting during the warmer months if the weather turns foul or for an after work ride if I don’t beat the sunset.

Last but not least, I got me some new cycling kicks! I’ve been on the hunt to replace my current shoes for a while, not that there is anything wrong with them but I was looking for something more “road” oriented and a bit lighter. I was currently wearing a pair of Pearl Izumi X-Alps that I had from my mountain bike riding days and I stayed with SPD pedals on my CX bike so I just continued to use them. I do like the 2 bolt SPD system, it makes it easy when all bikes use the same type of pedals, so I wanted to stay with that system but with a less aggressive sole than most 2 bolt MTB shoes have. After a long search and a lot of research I decided on the Giro Empire VR90 shoes.

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The styling of these shoes drew me in and I couldn’t get away. This shoe is essentially the same as the Empire road (3 bolt) shoes with a Vibram rubber lugged sole attached. The original Empires were developed by Giro for Taylor Phinney and has essentially become their flagship model with several other pros now wearing them. I was a little skeptical of the laces, but after a lot of research I put those fears to rest. They shoes just form to your foot, the laces don’t loosen up and once tied I have never felt the need to stop and readjust. They actually seem to get more comfortable each time I wear them. Weight for a size 42 is 315g, which makes them pretty light among cycling shoes. Along with the shoes comes a nice carry bag, 4 spikes with a wrench and 2 pairs of different sized arch supports (a third is in the shoes) so you can totally customize their fit. I’m enjoying these shoes so much I only wish I could wear them off the bike as well!

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